2nd in Command, 1st to Draw Blood
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
- United States Constitution, Clause 4
Filing from Red Bank, NJ.
LS: The debate everyone wanted to see happened Thursday night, and it wasn't the bloodbath many had imagined. It was an experienced old school Senator versus an over-rehearsed new Governor, and the results were often tepid. Governor Palin, while not as painfully shaky as with the recent Katie Couric interviews, still managed to keep her patronizing PTA mom tone. Senator Biden was still himself, maybe not as loquacious due to time restraints, but still a classic example of pre-2000 politician.
RS: Notice the stutter jumped up a couple of times there.
LS: It did, but the unholy white smile was there to smooth things over. The least surprising thing about the debate was that Palin stood her ground, not collapsing into bizarre tangents that intersected the Republican's talking points too much.
RS: Well, mostly. She also stumbled quite a bit in the foreign policy area, and her reacharound back to the energy during the bankruptcy question made me wonder why we should believe she's an energy expert?
LS: Good question. She says she is, and she is the governor of an oil-producing state, but does that make her an expert on energy?
RS: Maybe we all need to do some homework, but nothing during the debate made me buy into her claims of knowing all about energy. Or maybe we were distracted by her folksy charm.
LS: Here is a reason Joe Biden, from this reporter's perspective, won the debate. For all her down-home swagger, she didn't deliver much more than her party's laundry list. Biden responded much better to both Gwen Ifill's initial questions and to Palin's answers, and he did so without resorting to avoidance tactics. Or wait, is it a strategy? Maybe John McCain can tell me the difference.
RS: By the way, Louis, how many U's are in the word 'nuclear?'
LS: The same number the current Commander-In-Chief recommends, apparently. We've said it before: she does a remarkable job of parroting a script. But the job demands more substance than style, or obviously we would have never had Bush, Sr. in the White House. Or Lyndon B. Johnson.
RS: That's another of my grievances against Palin's approach. When Ifill repeated Jim Lehrer's question last week regarding the policies the candidates would have to give up in order to pay off the bailout, Biden started out well, but too quickly slipped into campaign rhetoric. But Palin began off by not answering the question. Then she mentioned her Alaska experience with the oil companies with the same glee as a first grader proudly displaying her macaroni art at Show and Tell. Biden grinned back, almost like he's playing 'Gotcha!' When Ifill repeated the question, Palin admitted she's promised nothing in her five weeks of whatever she's been really doing and that McCain would live up to all of his promises, too.
LS: Alex Castellanos of CNN said 'We've had a rough week as Republicans, you know, this has not been our best week,' and you have to wonder whose fault that is?
RS: The predicament with bi-partisanship is that each party needs the other. If all the Democrats decided to shift allegiance overnight, and wily independents too, what would happen to the country? If every measure the Republicans fought for were to suddenly be poofed into existence? The two parties, and the less-popular parties, need each other for checks and balances, just like the greaseless three branches of government.
- United States Constitution, Clause 4
Filing from Red Bank, NJ.
LS: The debate everyone wanted to see happened Thursday night, and it wasn't the bloodbath many had imagined. It was an experienced old school Senator versus an over-rehearsed new Governor, and the results were often tepid. Governor Palin, while not as painfully shaky as with the recent Katie Couric interviews, still managed to keep her patronizing PTA mom tone. Senator Biden was still himself, maybe not as loquacious due to time restraints, but still a classic example of pre-2000 politician.
RS: Notice the stutter jumped up a couple of times there.
LS: It did, but the unholy white smile was there to smooth things over. The least surprising thing about the debate was that Palin stood her ground, not collapsing into bizarre tangents that intersected the Republican's talking points too much.
RS: Well, mostly. She also stumbled quite a bit in the foreign policy area, and her reacharound back to the energy during the bankruptcy question made me wonder why we should believe she's an energy expert?
LS: Good question. She says she is, and she is the governor of an oil-producing state, but does that make her an expert on energy?
RS: Maybe we all need to do some homework, but nothing during the debate made me buy into her claims of knowing all about energy. Or maybe we were distracted by her folksy charm.
LS: Here is a reason Joe Biden, from this reporter's perspective, won the debate. For all her down-home swagger, she didn't deliver much more than her party's laundry list. Biden responded much better to both Gwen Ifill's initial questions and to Palin's answers, and he did so without resorting to avoidance tactics. Or wait, is it a strategy? Maybe John McCain can tell me the difference.
RS: By the way, Louis, how many U's are in the word 'nuclear?'
LS: The same number the current Commander-In-Chief recommends, apparently. We've said it before: she does a remarkable job of parroting a script. But the job demands more substance than style, or obviously we would have never had Bush, Sr. in the White House. Or Lyndon B. Johnson.
RS: That's another of my grievances against Palin's approach. When Ifill repeated Jim Lehrer's question last week regarding the policies the candidates would have to give up in order to pay off the bailout, Biden started out well, but too quickly slipped into campaign rhetoric. But Palin began off by not answering the question. Then she mentioned her Alaska experience with the oil companies with the same glee as a first grader proudly displaying her macaroni art at Show and Tell. Biden grinned back, almost like he's playing 'Gotcha!' When Ifill repeated the question, Palin admitted she's promised nothing in her five weeks of whatever she's been really doing and that McCain would live up to all of his promises, too.
LS: Alex Castellanos of CNN said 'We've had a rough week as Republicans, you know, this has not been our best week,' and you have to wonder whose fault that is?
RS: The predicament with bi-partisanship is that each party needs the other. If all the Democrats decided to shift allegiance overnight, and wily independents too, what would happen to the country? If every measure the Republicans fought for were to suddenly be poofed into existence? The two parties, and the less-popular parties, need each other for checks and balances, just like the greaseless three branches of government.
They would all do well to remember that instead of come one word short of calling each other liars on national television.
LS: True enough, Dick. And I am so pleased to hear Palin is tolerant. And how, when she talks about gay marriage, she is being straight up with America.
RS: I wondered what she meant, too. Actually, I wondered what she meant quite often. Like when she said she did 'not want to argue about the causes' of climate change, even though that was the question at hand. Or when she said 'your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.'
LS: Dick, that's just Debate 101: Never say you agree with your opponent. Obama should've kept that in mind last week, too. But Palin continued to take little jabs by saying how pleased she was to be in agreement with Biden ('we both love Israel,' 'I respect you for admiring McCain's record'). And then came the empty statement: 'For a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that's where you're going.' The first thought to come to mind: how can you forge ahead without identifying mistakes in the past and learning from them? Palin asserted, a mere two sentences later, 'We'll learn from the past mistakes of this administration and other administrations.' Well, which one is it, Governor? How can your party learn from Bush's mistakes and any other party's mistakes and claim reform is coming if the Democrats cannot utilize the same method? Blatant doublespeak is a sign of cheapness or sinister motives.
RS: Even for a nation that gets off by watching COPS and car crashes on t.v., the rabid dog approach gets tiresome to watch, especially when Palin adds her rehearsed tone of patronization during the scathing rant about meeting with our enemies. It is an interesting strategy of Biden's (mirroring Obama's last week) to use this platform to set the inaccuracies of the McCain campaign straight in the face of the opposition. I'm not sure it is the best plan, since it still seems to give the GOP the upper hand. Sweeping up lies is a poor way to win a debate.
LS: Biden shot off a few lies, too. He said of McCain, 'How else could he come up with an economic plan that leaves out more than 100 million middle-class taxpayers from any relief whatsoever?'
RS: Well, Joe, if you take out McCain's fundamentally flawed health care plan, you'd have a point. Since that's not what you said, you lied.
LS: It was the right stage for it, at least. How is it Palin claims middle class family status, when her position as governor brings her into the higher tax bracket. In fact, she and her husband reported an income of around $230,000 last year. Nice money, but hardly middle class.
RS: And should she become Vice President, her salary will nearly double, skyrocketing her into the realm of out of touch with the middle class. But is that not the American Dream as it has been sold by Hollywood: an attractive young mother of five works her way up from socially responsible to mayor of a podunk town to governor of a mythic and oil-rich state to Vice President of the most in-debt country in the world?
LS: Here's another question to ponder, Dick: Palin called herself and McCain 'a team of mavericks.' By definition, is that really a team?
RS: Not at all. It's a bunch of foolhardy assholes who want to carry the ball across their own opinion.
LS: Shall we call it a draw?
RS: Not hardly. Palin lost on style, originality, and foreign policy.
LS: And won on... energy?
RS: Vaguely. What's the betting line tonight?
LS: If things go as they are, McCain and Palin will win by a hacked election precinct in the deep south by four points.
RS: Barometer Barry by six percentish.
LS: True enough, Dick. And I am so pleased to hear Palin is tolerant. And how, when she talks about gay marriage, she is being straight up with America.
RS: I wondered what she meant, too. Actually, I wondered what she meant quite often. Like when she said she did 'not want to argue about the causes' of climate change, even though that was the question at hand. Or when she said 'your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.'
LS: Dick, that's just Debate 101: Never say you agree with your opponent. Obama should've kept that in mind last week, too. But Palin continued to take little jabs by saying how pleased she was to be in agreement with Biden ('we both love Israel,' 'I respect you for admiring McCain's record'). And then came the empty statement: 'For a ticket that wants to talk about change and looking into the future, there's just too much finger-pointing backwards to ever make us believe that's where you're going.' The first thought to come to mind: how can you forge ahead without identifying mistakes in the past and learning from them? Palin asserted, a mere two sentences later, 'We'll learn from the past mistakes of this administration and other administrations.' Well, which one is it, Governor? How can your party learn from Bush's mistakes and any other party's mistakes and claim reform is coming if the Democrats cannot utilize the same method? Blatant doublespeak is a sign of cheapness or sinister motives.
RS: Even for a nation that gets off by watching COPS and car crashes on t.v., the rabid dog approach gets tiresome to watch, especially when Palin adds her rehearsed tone of patronization during the scathing rant about meeting with our enemies. It is an interesting strategy of Biden's (mirroring Obama's last week) to use this platform to set the inaccuracies of the McCain campaign straight in the face of the opposition. I'm not sure it is the best plan, since it still seems to give the GOP the upper hand. Sweeping up lies is a poor way to win a debate.
LS: Biden shot off a few lies, too. He said of McCain, 'How else could he come up with an economic plan that leaves out more than 100 million middle-class taxpayers from any relief whatsoever?'
RS: Well, Joe, if you take out McCain's fundamentally flawed health care plan, you'd have a point. Since that's not what you said, you lied.
LS: It was the right stage for it, at least. How is it Palin claims middle class family status, when her position as governor brings her into the higher tax bracket. In fact, she and her husband reported an income of around $230,000 last year. Nice money, but hardly middle class.
RS: And should she become Vice President, her salary will nearly double, skyrocketing her into the realm of out of touch with the middle class. But is that not the American Dream as it has been sold by Hollywood: an attractive young mother of five works her way up from socially responsible to mayor of a podunk town to governor of a mythic and oil-rich state to Vice President of the most in-debt country in the world?
LS: Here's another question to ponder, Dick: Palin called herself and McCain 'a team of mavericks.' By definition, is that really a team?
RS: Not at all. It's a bunch of foolhardy assholes who want to carry the ball across their own opinion.
LS: Shall we call it a draw?
RS: Not hardly. Palin lost on style, originality, and foreign policy.
LS: And won on... energy?
RS: Vaguely. What's the betting line tonight?
LS: If things go as they are, McCain and Palin will win by a hacked election precinct in the deep south by four points.
RS: Barometer Barry by six percentish.
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Friday, 17 October 2008
Recently I accepted hope and change into my heart by inviting Barack Obama to be my personal President. I'm a work in progress and look forward to the day when the chains of smugness and cynicism fall from my weary shoulders
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